with respect to the governor plans for tax reform, he has a plan , pro-growth plan to cut taxes for the middle class because he will allow them to save and invest tax-free. unlike president obama, he has no plans to raise taxes. president obama has plans to raise taxes in this term and the next term. if he does that, he will plunge us off the fiscal cliff to another recession. this is why this choice facing the american people is critical. >> bret: when you hear the obama campaign and all the folks say, and interview after interview say we want specifics of how these loopholes will close and how you will pay for $5 trillion in tax cuts, are we going to hear it tonight? >> i think what you will hear from governor romney is the same thing we heard from president reagan in 1986. in 1986, the last time we undertook substantial tax reform, president reagan or ticklated -- articulated his principles. he laid out the broad guideline and gue him in his negotiation with congress. we did something great for the american people back then. we pushed down rates. that created economic expansion. that